Abigail and Killeen are back with part two on gratitude, discussing how to find thanks in life’s daily routines, even when it’s feeling like a grind.
Present Moment, Wonderful Moment, by Thich Nhat Hahn
Unstuck, the app.
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Abigail and Killeen are back with part two on gratitude, discussing how to find thanks in life’s daily routines, even when it’s feeling like a grind.
Present Moment, Wonderful Moment, by Thich Nhat Hahn
Unstuck, the app.
Announcer: [00:00] The statements in this podcast have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. Welcome to episode 10B of “That Supplement Show.” The “B” is because this is the second installment of our two‑part series on gratitude.
[00:14] The first part was all about making space to establish deeper gratitude for the tangible, material things and resources that make our lives more enjoyable. Today’s follow‑up is more about the non‑stuff, being thankful for the air we breathe, the earth we walk on, and the people that touch us along the way.
[00:29] Feel free to listen to each part in whatever order you choose. Choice, just one of those many things I’m grateful for today. Take it away, ladies!
Abigail: [00:37] Hey, Killeen.
Killeen: [00:38] Hi, Abby. I’m so thrilled to see you. I’ve been waiting for our conversation all week, but actually, if you don’t mind, I’d like to start by not saying anything for a minute.
Abigail: [00:47] Hmm. I’m interested to see what you have in mind.
Killeen: [00:50] That’s the problem, actually. I have a lot in mind, and I feel like I need to clear it out before we get into this discussion. I’ve got some little chimes here that I’m going to ring. Play along with me now.
[01:00] When you hear this sound ‑‑ and listeners, this means you, too ‑‑ visualize all that busy crazy activity in your mind, being drawn to the sound and attaching to it like a magnet. Then, as the sound fades, let those thoughts float away with it. We’ll sit quietly until I ring the chimes a second time. Sound good?
Abigail: [01:19] Works for me.
Killeen: [01:20] Great. Here we go.
[01:21] [chimes ringing][01:21] [silence][01:21] [chimes ringing]
Abigail: [01:25] I’m so glad we did that, Killeen. That was really nice. I actually feel ready to talk about gratitude now. It’s a really good topic. I know we chatted about it last week, but we’ve got more to say.
Killeen: [02:03] We sure do. As ancient philosophers and spiritual leaders, and even modern‑day psychologists come back to the emotion of gratitude over and over again, it’s pretty clear it’s an emotion that intrigues us.
[02:15] It’s actually only been formally studied in recent years, believe it or not, but wouldn’t you know, there’s a ton of resources as a result. That’s not a surprise to me because who wouldn’t want to feel this heightened or deepened or more constant sense of gratitude in everyday life?
Abigail: [02:28] Since this is a show about supplementing your life so you can experience not only optimal physical health, but mental and emotional health as well, we really want to help our listeners find ways to move that needle on their gratitude meter in the right direction.
Killeen: [02:41] Last time, we spoke about recognizing and appreciating the distinct entities of our lives, like food and shelter, or even a special relic from a loved one. It was really about creating gratitude for the components and the parts.
[02:55] Today, we’ll be looking at finding gratitude for the whole picture. It’s like external gratitude versus internal gratitude, if you will. It’s a bit of a different concept and I’m not going to pretend that I could automatically speak to this. I had to do some research and preparation for our chat today.
Abigail: [03:10] I think that’s a good idea. I’m sure our listeners enjoy our rambling opinions, but only when we’ve got some balanced facts and an expert opinion outside. [laughs] Love the research.
Killeen: [03:20] I know that’s what I’d want, so yes, I found some great resources to share as a result. First, let’s kick it off with a quote. Here’s one I really liked. “When asked if my cup is half full or half empty, my only response is that I am thankful I have a cup.”
Abigail: [03:35] I think that’s a spot‑on way to tee up what we’re going to talk about today. The cup could be half empty or half full, depending on your philosophical leanings, but at least, you have a cup to hold that water in, for example. I think that’s a tricky place to get your mind into, to recognize that good even when you’re in the middle of a bad situation.
Killeen: [03:53] I read it pretty much the same, not focusing on if my life is this way or if it’s that way, but just being aware that it’s miraculous to be here at all.
[04:01] Those chimes that I used earlier, they’re actually Tibetan tingsha chimes more commonly known as yoga bells. If you’ve taken a yoga class, you very well may have heard them. That’s where I discovered them.
[04:12] They’re these little small cymbals, and they’re used in prayer and rituals by Tibetan Buddhist practitioners. The two cymbals are joined together by a leather strap or a chain. You just dangle them apart from one another and then let them go, and they make that pretty sound. I’ll put a link in the show notes just give a visual.
[04:31] I’m going somewhere with this. At dinner in my house, we used to go around the table saying all the things that we were grateful for each night. It was this really long list, eventually, that included all of our names, “I’m grateful for Mommy. I’m grateful for Daddy.” [laughs] “I’m grateful for our pets.” We had a few of those. [laughs][04:50] Then there’s some truly funny contributions from my girls. Not to sidetrack, but one of them said she was grateful for not stubbing her toe on our hike earlier that day, and then after that, every single dinner, they would both say they were grateful for not stubbing their toe.
[05:05] It started to get a little bit silly and out of control. It was fun, we loved it, but we were losing sight of the real meaning of expressing gratitude for sitting down together for a meal.
[05:17] Since it got mundane and lost its meaning, I pulled out my dust‑collecting yoga bells and we started ringing them each night to signify the start of dinner instead. Now we simply take a moment to feel grateful for whatever we wish before we dig in.
[05:29] It’s good that it’s not a list anymore, because what if one of has a bad day? It’s much easier to summon a state of gratitude that it is to have to put a name to it in a given moment.
Abigail: [05:40] Before I go on to what I wanted to share next, I do want to say, Killeen, I’m always so impressed on these amazing lessons that you’re instilling in your kids at such a young age. They’re going to have such a head start in life, I think, expressing gratitude and understanding where their food comes from, it’s really remarkable. [laughs]
Killeen: [05:55] Thank you. Some of it, they take to heart, and some of it, they’re just going through what I’m asking of them. I do hope that it leaves a lasting impact as they get older.
Abigail: [06:07] I bet it does. When I was younger, my dad used every chance we’re in the car or we went for a walk as a teaching experience, and I hated it, and now I do the exact, same thing.
Killeen: [06:16] That’s how I feel, but thank you for that. That gives me a little motivation to stick with it.
Abigail: [06:23] Back to gratitude, what you said really brings up a question that psychologists actually often debate, and that’s, “Is gratitude a trait, or is it a state of being?” I want to share some of what we found with the research we did. We’ll definitely link to it in our show notes.
[06:38] According to psychologists, gratitude is regarded as either a trait or a state. Those that believe it’s a trait, they say as a trait, an individual practices gratitude as part of their daily life. It also becomes a character strength. According to these psychologists, if it’s not a top strength of yours, it’s something that you can develop and build.
[06:56] The other camp is that gratitude is a state of being. The definition that psychologists provide here is that, “It’s an emotion a person experiences from another individual’s expression of gratitude.”
[07:09] I was going to share some of my personal thoughts on that, but, that second definition really hit me. There’s somebody, and we both know her, whose expression of gratitude’s actually had a big impact on me. She may not know it. She will now.
Abigail: [07:23] She’d have some really insightful things to share. Any guesses who I’m talking about?
Killeen: [07:28] Could it possible be our friend, Kripa?
Abigail: [07:30] How’d you know? [laughs]
Killeen: [07:31] She truly [laughs] is one of the most mindful and present people that I have ever had the pleasure of meeting. She has this really beautiful way of framing her thoughts. Let’s give her a call, see if she’ll speak on the virtue of gratitude, and see what she has to say.
Abigail: [07:45] All right, let’s do it.
[07:49] [phone ringing]
Kripa: [07:49] Hi, is this Killeen?
Killeen: [07:50] This is. It’s Killeen and Abigail, actually. We’re calling you. [laughs]
Abigail: [07:54] Hi, Kripa.
Kripa: [07:55] Hi, Abby. How are you doing?
Abigail: [07:57] I’m doing well. How are you?
Kripa: [07:58] Great, thank you. Very grateful that you invited me to be on your podcast.
Killeen: [08:03] We couldn’t have this conversation about gratitude without calling you, Kripa. You were one of the first people that came to mind for us. Since we’ve already briefed you in a bit on what we’ve been talking about thus far, let’s just jump right to it.
[08:17] I personally wanted to ask you this, because you seem like somebody that just exudes gratitude and joy, and you’re such a positive person to be around, I want to know about your tough days, Kripa. When you’re having one of those really difficult days, are you beaming as always? What do you do? How do you get yourself out of that funk? What’s your tactic there?
Kripa: [08:41] That’s a really good question. I’m just like any other person. I have days that are sometimes a little rougher than others. Honestly, I find that when I’m not in a great frame of mind, if my mind is a little restless or agitated about something, I go and just say to myself, “Let’s practice gratitude,” or “Let’s do something that feels I should be grateful for things.” That doesn’t really work for me, because I think it’s hard to go from a state of agitation to a state of gratitude.
[09:15] For me, when I recognize that I’m not in the best frame of mind, I do make a commitment to sitting quietly, to take in a few minutes. It just takes a couple of minutes to sit down and really become present with whatever I’m feeling.
[09:35] I pay attention to the feelings in my body, I know just where I feel a little dis‑ease, and I will breathe. I’ll send me breath into that area. When my breath goes in, I feel a little expansion. As my breathe goes out, I feel some of that tension leaving.
[09:53] Then if I do that for a couple of minute, I find it’s much easier to start contemplating on little things that I’m grateful for. It doesn’t have to be something massive. I just maybe am grateful for the fact that I get to sit here for two minutes and be aware of my body, that my senses are informing me of how I feel, or that my breath is able to go in and out quite freely.
[10:18] I don’t really have to make an effort to breathe. It’s all taken care of for me. Those are the little gifts that we are given that sometimes we can take for granted.
[10:32] I find if I start there, then quite quickly, those thoughts and feelings of gratitude can naturally start to multiply because one thing leads to the next. You start being grateful for the sound of the birds around, or even the sound of the wind, or the fact that the sun rises every morning, and I don’t have to make an effort to make that happen, it’s all done for me.
[11:04] I don’t try to force myself to feel grateful for something, but if I can get my mind into a peaceful enough state, then gratitude can more naturally arise. It’s a wonderful feeling so it pays off very quickly.
Abigail: [11:20] Kripa, I love that you said that you take some time to be quiet in those moments and let yourself feel how you’re feeling ‑‑ and I’m guessing ‑‑ whether that’s a physical sensation, as you mentioned, but also, those mental stresses and just breathing through those, and being grateful for the fact that breathing is easy for you. It can be so simple. It doesn’t have to be a big, elaborate [laughs] gratitude.
Kripa: [11:42] Yeah, I think that’s a really important point is that really, when you get down to the essence of it, these practices can be very simple. I think sometimes we put a pressure on ourselves when we start saying, “I have to do this. I have to sit and meditate. We have to carve out time to do something.”
[12:05] No, you can just be wherever you’re at and direct your awareness inward. As you do that, you naturally start to calm down, and when you get into a calmer state of mind, then those positive feelings like gratitude can naturally arise.
[12:23] Also, I really am grateful that you asked me to be on this podcast because I’ve been thinking about it over the last few days, just the nature of gratitude. I was walking around the garden the other evening and thinking of it, and I was feeling so good by just thinking about all of the things that gratitude means to me.
[12:46] What I noticed, is I keep bending over to pick up little rocks and place them in certain places, so many of the little rocks that I picked up seemed to be fashioned into the shape of a heart, somehow. It felt like such a wonderful meditation, and gratitude is so very much connected to a heart‑centered emotion and such a good feeling. It doesn’t have to be complicated. It can be simple.
Killeen: [13:16] That’s really nice to think that we don’t have to put gratitude on the list of one more thing to check off each day, and that it’s not necessarily about dedicating time but to try to just be in that moment and take a pause to see that there’s these little blessings like those little rocks just waiting to be found.
Kripa: [13:36] Yeah, exactly. Really small gestures can make a big difference in the state of your being. Many years ago I heard or read something that Deepak Chopra said. He said the only thing that really is of importance ‑‑ and I’m paraphrasing here ‑‑ is the quality of your consciousness in this moment.
[14:01] That’s really it, it’s that simple. This moment is all there is. It doesn’t have to an elaborate plan of what you’re going to do. It’s just take a moment to recognize, “I’m here right now. How do I feel? Can I improve in some way on the way that I feel right now?”
Killeen: [14:23] Earlier, we were talking about gratitude being either a trait or a state, which was a new concept we had happened upon. I had felt like the thing that was missing from that is perhaps gratitude being a perspective.
[14:38] When you talk about our consciousness and the state of our consciousness, that is perspective, in a way, that the gratitude, we can have it there all along, but we might not recognize it until we shift our perspective. On the flip side, we might be feeling grateful, and then something else shifts our perspective to where we lose sight of that.
Kripa: [14:58] Yeah, that’s the way that the day generally goes. We do tend to have different experiences that create different emotions within. Perhaps, where we have control, is that we have the capacity to recognize how we are feeling and actually to make a decision to either cultivate something that feels good or otherwise. That’s our choice and it’s very simple.
[15:39] I heard somebody recently I can’t remember who it was. They were making a distinction between gratitude and appreciation.
[15:46] Appreciation is perhaps maybe a little more fluid in the sense that when you really look at a flower, or you look at something of beauty, and you can really appreciate it, it’s very aligned with gratitude, but it’s almost more of a neutral observing without judgment and just appreciating the beauty of something.
[16:16] It’s perhaps a slightly different feeling than just being grateful. “I’m grateful for this.” Oftentimes, we’re grateful for something because of what they can do for us. We might appreciate something just for its very existence. Appreciating a tree, for example, just for its existence, or a flower. That was an interesting meditation also.
Killeen: [16:40] I wanted to give Abigail a chance to jump in. [laughs]
Abigail: [16:43] Honestly, I’m sitting here alternating between tears in my eyes and a smile on my face. I’m being very impacted right now.
Kripa: [16:54] I’m glad that it touches you. It’s just a wonderful topic. I can’t think of anything better, or anything more delicious to sit and talk about and think about than gratitude or appreciation.
[17:05] I’m sure you’re having that experience also. There are so many things. There’s just so many things in all of our environments and experience and on the planet that we can look upon with gratitude.
[17:25] I know there’s a lot of struggling in the world and a lot of people have pain and suffering. I personally have many people in my life who are going through challenging situations. That exists on this planet, especially it seems, at this time.
[17:44] When you look at the incredible intelligence in the universe, just the fact that the planets are rising and falling, the sun is coming up every morning and going down in the evening, the moon is doing its cycles, the trees are growing, the rain is falling. There are so many things that are happening for us that are given freely to us. We don’t have to take care of those things.
[18:15] Can you imagine if you had to get the sun to go down before you went to bed at night? Just things like that. There’s so much that we can look upon with gratitude. It’s a lovely thing to talk about with dear friends.
Killeen: [18:37] You said that perfectly, and it really does make me look around. I feel in awe of everything around us, and it’s almost in this way that kind of takes your breath away.
Kripa: [18:50] Right. It does. When you look at an ocean and the expanse of the ocean, and then you imagine all of the life that is in the ocean, from the tiniest little plankton and how that’s nourishing the most giant whales, and the tides, the rhythm and flow. It’s just so vast, such a rich field that’s fertile for us to really dive into and feel grateful for.
Killeen: [19:22] I was at dinner with some friends last weekend, and a couple of them were expressing the hard time they were having, and not feeling like they were enough or that they had made it in the world when they were comparing, as we talked about in our previous segment on gratitude. It was just that comparison is the thief of joy.
[19:47] Truly, I was seeing that right before my very eyes. I was trying to say what you were saying, Kripa, and I don’t think it came off as eloquently as you said. I was like, “We’re just sitting here right now, having this dinner. Think of all the things that had to happen to get us to this point, and how miraculous it is.”
[20:09] [laughs] They were kind of looking at me a little bit like, “OK Killeen, that’s great, but we’re still feeling a little inadequate here.” It was just hard, because it’s perspective, right?
Kripa: [20:22] It really is.
Killeen: [20:24] To me, I was like, “Even if we are at this point where you’re feeling like maybe the person next door to you has more, or whatever it might be, right now to be sitting where we’re sitting, we really do have what we need.” [laughs]
Kripa: [20:41] We have so much more than we need, actually. I was struck by that on a recent vacation, going away and camping, having just the basic necessities, and being in the trees, having no Internet connection, no cell phone connection, having far less than I normally have in my daily life.
[21:07] Yet, the feeling of expansiveness, wealth, and abundance was overwhelming. Sometimes it really is true that less is more. When you have less of the things, you get to see more of the beauty of what naturally exists.
Abigail: [21:27] I think we should have called you for our last episode too, because you hit the nail on the head right there. [laughs][21:31] [laughter]
Kripa: [21:34] You can call me for any episode. This has been so much fun.
Killeen: [21:39] We so appreciate your time Kripa, and we knew you’d have some wonderful things to contribute to this conversation. Thank you for taking some time out to chat with us today.
Kripa: [21:46] Thank you both very, very much. I’m really truly grateful.
Killeen: [21:51] And we’re appreciative of you, as well. [laughs]
Abigail: [21:54] Maybe now you can see why Kripa has played a big role in my personal development of gratitude. One of the most impactful little things, because I think sometimes those little things we do add up to a big change, one of those little things that was really impactful for me was Kripa and I were sitting on the grass.
[22:11] We were talking about all the stuff that was happening in the world, and we landed on the topic of our planet, of mother earth and how we really need to treat her better. She lead me in this beautiful gratitude exercise for the earth. It may sound a little silly, but it really changed me. Even my poor husband can attest to this, because I couldn’t stop talking about showing the earth gratitude for a week afterwards. I even dragged him to the park and made him do it, too.
Killeen: [22:36] Just as you enjoy hearing about things that I kind of push my kids into, I like hearing what your husband gets signed up for as a result of being your partner in crime. Can you tell us about the exercise?
Abigail: [22:48] Absolutely. It was really, really simple actually. We were sitting there, and we laid face down on the grass. We put our heads to the side, arms stretched out wide to our sides. We were literally embracing and hugging the earth.
[23:02] She had me close my eyes and imagine that I was doing just that. That my arms spanned the world. We’re hugging the entire world, and then spending time thinking about all the things that the planet provides for us.
[23:14] We wouldn’t be around if there wasn’t the earth and all its resources. Then, not just taking a moment of gratitude to be thankful for everything it provides, but also, kind of saying, “Sorry. I’m so thankful for you, and I’m sorry we don’t treat you the best.”
[23:28] It was just this restful moment and it sounded a little hippy‑dippy, I think.
Abigail: [23:34] But what you’re doing in that moment is taking time to recognize something that we, without question, take for granted every day. It was just about awareness, and it had a big impact on me.
Killeen: [23:44] I wasn’t going to share this at all, but since you brought it up, talking about gratitude in different cultures, I was reading that the Japanese actually have a couple different forms of expressions for gratitude, one being kind of more of just a simple bow, “Thank you, I’m humbled for what you did.”
[24:04] The other translated into, “I am sorry,” because it’s almost like gratitude comes with this guilt of like, “I’m so thankful for you, and I also feel something, because you had to sacrifice your time, your energy, your effort, or whatever it might be, to help me.” I thought that that was interesting, because I don’t think we always think of gratitude that way in the culture that you and live.
Abigail: [24:28] Yeah. It was a profound kind of exercise. It had these reverberating impacts too, because I took more notice of the trees, and I was like, “Wow, if that tree wasn’t there, or all these trees weren’t here, we couldn’t breathe.” It was just this connection I didn’t have to the earth before, and then I did feel that guilt. Am I doing what I can? Am I doing my part to help preserve this?
Killeen: [24:48] Hearing your story, I think you’d really enjoy this book that was really my first experience with the type of gratitude we’re talking about today. It’s called, “Present Moment, Wonderful Moment,” by the well‑known Thich Nhat Hanh, who is a Vietnamese monk and a renowned Zen Master. Quite a poet, peace activist, the whole nine years.
[25:08] I believe he is still alive today. He’s written a lot, but Present Moment, Wonderful Moment has these verses in it that you can say during daily activities, like if you’re washing the dishes. He’s got a little verse, or a Gatha as it’s called, where you’re just talking about feeling the water and perhaps the soap, running your hands over the dishes that were once holding food and how they symbolize dinner.
[25:36] It’s pretty impacting stuff. It’s funny because who really sits there saying, “Yes, I get to wash this pile of dishes. I’m so lucky.” That’s really what it is, is actually pausing to say, “The fact that I can stand here and wash these dishes is a gift.”
Abigail: [25:50] Kind of like that quote we talked about earlier, “The cup may be half empty, but at least you have the cup.”
Killeen: [25:55] Yeah. Exactly. Can I just say for a moment we might want to rename our podcast “That Mindfulness Show,” because we can’t seem to get through an episode without talking about it. Present Moment, Wonderful Moment is truly about returning to a state of mindfulness when you’re doing everyday ordinary things.
Abigail: [26:10] It does come up a lot for us, but That Supplement Show still works, because I think taking supplements as a proactive approach to health, that in and of itself is pretty mindful.
Killeen: [26:19] Yes. How very right you are. I believe gratitude in the present moment has the most positive impact on the self. Just think how often regret stems from a lack gratitude. How many times have you heard the phrase, “If only I realized how good I had it,” “If only I knew then what I know now, I might have embraced my life more passionately.”
[26:41] As a mom, it’s definitely true. People constantly, when my kids were super tiny, saying, “Enjoy it while it lasts,” because then, when it’s over, you do look back fondly on those memories, even though that maybe all the diaper changing and late nights up with infants is kind of taxing and trying, it’s something to truly grasp the present moment and be grateful for.
[27:04] That book always does the trick for me. I actually lent it to a friend ages ago. I just might need to re‑acquire a copy. I think that’s what books are for. You lend them out so someone else can learn.
Killeen: [27:13] Yeah. It’s true.
Abigail: [27:15] We’re kind of talking about maintaining gratitude in your perspective then. Maybe like rose‑colored glasses, but practical? [laughs]
Killeen: [27:23] I like that.
Abigail: [27:24] That ongoing state of gratitude.
Killeen: [27:26] Yeah, the state of gratitude. It’s so interesting. I totally agree. When thinking about how we could provide our listeners with some actionably takeaways, because that’s kind of what this show is about, it actually made sense to first think about what circumstances might prevent us from experiencing gratitude.
[27:42] If everything is cheery and sunny, and we’ve got those rose‑colored glasses on, let’s be thankful. Then there are those obvious clouds that make it near impossible to identify any silver linings.
[27:53] It makes me think at the same time, there are those elusive clouds, the ones that you can’t really see or define. Yet, they hang there and obscure positive emotions like enthusiasm, motivation, or joy, and especially that other directed gratitude.
[28:12] You can’t have awareness on who to thank for all the goodness in your life when you’re stuck in your own cloud. Do you know what I mean?
Abigail: [28:18] Mm‑hmm.
Killeen: [28:19] But guess what?
Abigail: [28:20] There’s an app for that?
Killeen: [28:23] Funny you say it, there actually is. I totally set you up for that. I’ll admit it.
Abigail: [28:28] [laughs]
Killeen: [28:29] I found this site called unstuck.com. It was created by this company that used to work with large corporations when they had these seemingly insurmountable hurdles to clear.
[28:38] You and I work together for MegaFood. We’ve been there where there’s this challenge, and it’s like, “Oh, my gosh. How are we going to get through this?” This company had so much success helping the huge businesses ‑‑ and when I say huge, I mean huge like Apple and Nike huge ‑‑ get unstuck, that they thought they’d try making the techniques accessible to individuals for free. How kind. [laughs][29:00] To be even more inclusive, they made this web version of the app, so even if you don’t have a smartphone, you can still use it.
Abigail: [29:05] I’m super interested. How does it work?
Killeen: [29:07] This very creative interface asks you a whole host of questions and requires you to identify thoughts, feelings, and emotions that you’re having in relation to a problem or a sticking point where you can’t move past something.
[29:20] Then, they give you lists of lots of choices so that you don’t have to think too hard about what it is you’re actually feeling. It goes for a while, and the end result puts you into a category and gives you this horoscope‑style assessment that I must admit was really accurate for the test that I did, not to mention, I really do enjoy having somebody out there on the other side of the screen kind of telling me about myself. I love those assessments. I find them so interesting.
[29:45] It’s followed by tips on how to become unstuck from that personal situation you’re in and puts you on an open pathway for whatever you desire, gratefulness included.
[29:55] I’m not saying that everybody needs an app like this to tell them how to live their life or to work through a problem, but I found that the root psychology of what creates these various ruts is applied in such a way that I think it has the potential to work, or at least help.
Abigail: [30:07] One second while I download the app.
Killeen: [30:10] I will stick a couple of screenshots in the show notes that show sort of like my project board, I only started one stuck moment, just so you can see what it’s about before you go and sign up. I also have one of their little actionable tips for my particular dilemma that I was in.
Abigail: [30:27] So cool. I’m excited to try it. While it’s downloading, and we’re talking about…I love how you said it, “those elusive clouds” that you mentioned earlier, I’m imagining as that fog. [laughs] There’s a lot of intangible thoughts and feelings that can inhibit gratitude. Last time, we talked about the physical things. I wanted to share a personal story if that’s OK?
[30:50] As you know, Killeen, I struggle with mental health. For me, specifically, it’s anxiety. There’s those days when I’m so anxious that it’s hard to function, I can’t get out of bed, I can’t get beyond that unidentifiable panic that I’m feeling.
[31:04] I have this tool. A co‑worker actually taught it to me. It’s been really helpful. I find it does work best if you have an ally in this. It’s either my husband, or I’ll give my mom a call when I need to.
[31:15] In those moments where I can’t see beyond that bad situation that I’m in, they will ask me, “List three things you’re grateful for. Tell me three things, right in this moment, that you’re grateful for.” It makes me stop focusing on that inner turmoil and think about all the great things around me.
[31:33] Honestly, some days, that’s super hard to do. I’m feeling so anxious and panicky that I can’t see anything to be grateful for. It doesn’t have to be profound. It can be as simple as a warm bed to wake up in or even a glass that’s half full.
Killeen: [31:47] That’s a great point, because unlike joy or fear, which are these basic primal emotions, gratitude is conditional in how it’s learned and what capacity we can experience it. Gratitude and anxiety don’t seem like emotions that would naturally harmonize. It seems like it takes work to balance that out.
Abigail: [32:04] You know what, Killeen? We got so into this, we forgot to let out sponsor have a word. Maybe we should do that now.
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Abigail: [32:55] I think it’s very fitting that today’s episode was sponsored by Adult B‑Centered. I love that that contains lemon balm. It’s one of my absolute favorite botanicals.
[33:03] Very grateful for a lemon balm, and also, Killeen, I’m very grateful that we are able to spend some time together over the last couple of weeks chatting about gratitude. I really do hope that these two episodes of “That Supplement Show” ‑‑ and remember, we’ve got 10A and 10B ‑‑ I hope they can serve as tools for you, our listeners, when you need a little gratitude tuneup.
[33:21] You can listen to 10A when you need to simplify your life and focus on all the great things that you already have in it, and 10B is there for you when the clouds seem a little bit gray, and you need some help turning that gratitude into a conscious state.
Killeen: [33:33] Or a trait.
Abigail: [33:34] Yes.
Killeen: [33:34] Or a perspective, because it’s all about frame of mind.
Abigail: [33:39] I agree. I think perspective’s the perfect word for it.
Killeen: [33:41] I really challenge our listeners to explore one of these ideas that we’ve shared today, or really, from both episodes, right? Maybe it’s simplifying something that doesn’t need to be complex in your life. It could just be your desk, simplifying your desk. Maybe you expand that to your entire bedroom or your entire home. Whatever it is, just start small and see where that takes you.
[34:05] Then, the same thing with our resources today. You could use an app, you could use a book, you could just use a friend. [laughs] Find a way to find that gratitude in something that is outside of yourself and focus on it. Like I said, you can wash the dishes and find a way to be thankful.
[34:22] With that, let’s end with this quote that I found, another one where I don’t really know who said it, but I think it’s very fitting for what we talked about today. “The tree that wants to touch the sky must extend its roots into earth. The more it wants to rise upward, the more it has to go downwards. So, to rise in life, we must learn to be down‑to‑earth, be humble, express gratitude, and love unconditionally.”
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